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php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

Laurent Gigon
For several years I've been using Lasso SMTP but due to high volume, I
need something stronger, more like php mail localhost. Is there a
Lasso8 equivalent of that wonderful function of PHP which can send
thousand of message in a second? Or can we run php mail thru Lasso?

Thanks

Laurent

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Re: php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

stevepiercy
See:
http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/Bulk-Email-Handling-td4641608.html#a4641609

But if you enjoy dealing with all that crap, then:
http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/sending-mail-100-percent-cpu-usage-td3110265.html#a3110282

--steve


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>For several years I've been using Lasso SMTP but due to high volume, I
>need something stronger, more like php mail localhost. Is there a
>Lasso8 equivalent of that wonderful function of PHP which can send
>thousand of message in a second? Or can we run php mail thru Lasso?
>
>Thanks
>
>Laurent
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Re: php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

Laurent Gigon
I've got 1million email messages sent monthly by php mail and it
handle it just fine. The other portion of my newsletter is about 500K
a month and I use Sparkpost and Sendinblue. The cost of those services
is high, and is more expensive since Mailchimp stopped to accept API
only users. I already know, for a long time that Lasso SMTP is crap if
you need to send more than 1000 messages, it jams the system and
corrupt the SQLite. I'm just wondering why Lasso cannot do what PHP
mail is doing quite well.

2017-10-25 17:27 GMT-04:00 Steve Piercy - Website Builder <[hidden email]>:

> See:
> http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/Bulk-Email-Handling-td4641608.html#a4641609
>
> But if you enjoy dealing with all that crap, then:
> http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/sending-mail-100-percent-cpu-usage-td3110265.html#a3110282
>
> --steve
>
>
> On 10/25/17 at 1:40 PM, [hidden email] (Laurent G) pronounced:
>
>> For several years I've been using Lasso SMTP but due to high volume, I
>> need something stronger, more like php mail localhost. Is there a
>> Lasso8 equivalent of that wonderful function of PHP which can send
>> thousand of message in a second? Or can we run php mail thru Lasso?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Laurent
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Re: php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

Marc Pope-2
Every software has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Lasso isn’t designed for high-volume emailing. If you are doing that kind of volume, you should be using something more robust. I’d recommend something like PowerMTA which has an API where you can send it millions of messages per hour.

You can use batch files to dump into PMTA and it will parse and send it off, it’s WAY more efficient. It has a mail-merge type of function where you have a base email and then it can merge fields. This is the fastest way to get mail into PowerMTA. It will queue messages at amazing speeds, even on a lower-end server.

Lasso can dump a file right into PMTA using a watch folder. You can monitor deliverability, warm up IP addresses, DKIM, set limits to big ISPs like Yahoo, and MSN, etc.. all this is required to be a good emailer these days (CAN spam-compliant)

With PHP mail, you really have very little info if the mail is actually making it there or being rejected.

Port25, maker of PowerMTA is very proud of their software, and I’d be surprised if they quoted you under $5,000. I think we paid around $7,500 back in the day and we have an older version.

An alternative is also https://www.mailerq.com/ <https://www.mailerq.com/> but I have not used it, i believe it is similar.

Sincerely,

Marc Pope
Falcon Internet



> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Laurent G <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've got 1million email messages sent monthly by php mail and it
> handle it just fine. The other portion of my newsletter is about 500K
> a month and I use Sparkpost and Sendinblue. The cost of those services
> is high, and is more expensive since Mailchimp stopped to accept API
> only users. I already know, for a long time that Lasso SMTP is crap if
> you need to send more than 1000 messages, it jams the system and
> corrupt the SQLite. I'm just wondering why Lasso cannot do what PHP
> mail is doing quite well.

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Re: php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

Laurent Gigon
Thank you for your answers. Those software are overkill for my usage,
It's sad that Lasso cannot handle Amazon SES SMTP API because of the
TLS issue, because Amazon prices are much lower than all other smtp
services.

2017-10-25 20:18 GMT-04:00 Marc Pope <[hidden email]>:

> Every software has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Lasso isn’t designed for high-volume emailing. If you are doing that kind of volume, you should be using something more robust. I’d recommend something like PowerMTA which has an API where you can send it millions of messages per hour.
>
> You can use batch files to dump into PMTA and it will parse and send it off, it’s WAY more efficient. It has a mail-merge type of function where you have a base email and then it can merge fields. This is the fastest way to get mail into PowerMTA. It will queue messages at amazing speeds, even on a lower-end server.
>
> Lasso can dump a file right into PMTA using a watch folder. You can monitor deliverability, warm up IP addresses, DKIM, set limits to big ISPs like Yahoo, and MSN, etc.. all this is required to be a good emailer these days (CAN spam-compliant)
>
> With PHP mail, you really have very little info if the mail is actually making it there or being rejected.
>
> Port25, maker of PowerMTA is very proud of their software, and I’d be surprised if they quoted you under $5,000. I think we paid around $7,500 back in the day and we have an older version.
>
> An alternative is also https://www.mailerq.com/ <https://www.mailerq.com/> but I have not used it, i believe it is similar.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Marc Pope
> Falcon Internet
>
>
>
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Laurent G <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I've got 1million email messages sent monthly by php mail and it
>> handle it just fine. The other portion of my newsletter is about 500K
>> a month and I use Sparkpost and Sendinblue. The cost of those services
>> is high, and is more expensive since Mailchimp stopped to accept API
>> only users. I already know, for a long time that Lasso SMTP is crap if
>> you need to send more than 1000 messages, it jams the system and
>> corrupt the SQLite. I'm just wondering why Lasso cannot do what PHP
>> mail is doing quite well.
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Re: php mail lasso 8.6 equivalent

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On 10/25/17 at 8:47 PM, [hidden email] (Laurent G) pronounced:

>It's sad that Lasso cannot handle Amazon SES SMTP API because of the
>TLS issue, because Amazon prices are much lower than all other smtp
>services.

I don't understand this statement.  To what issue do you refer?

Sending emails from your server via SMTP to AWS is an extremely
inefficient way to send 1.5M emails per month.  Don't do this.

It's better to provide a message template and fill in the blanks
with any personalization using a provider's API.  There are
dozens of providers that do this, including Amazon via a command
line interface.  But you would have to learn how to use it via
os_process and optionally shell.
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/cli/latest/reference/ses/index.html
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/send-personalized-email-api.html

--steve

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Laurent Gigon
Steve, you've always got an excellent answer for every of my
questions, thank you!
I will probably need help, in a near future, to create a Lasso script
for using AWS SES or any similar service like Sengrind, mailjet, etc.
Is that a service that you or your company can provide?

Laurent

2017-10-26 1:51 GMT-04:00 Steve Piercy - Website Builder <[hidden email]>:

> On 10/25/17 at 8:47 PM, [hidden email] (Laurent G) pronounced:
>
>> It's sad that Lasso cannot handle Amazon SES SMTP API because of the
>> TLS issue, because Amazon prices are much lower than all other smtp
>> services.
>
>
> I don't understand this statement.  To what issue do you refer?
>
> Sending emails from your server via SMTP to AWS is an extremely inefficient
> way to send 1.5M emails per month.  Don't do this.
>
> It's better to provide a message template and fill in the blanks with any
> personalization using a provider's API.  There are dozens of providers that
> do this, including Amazon via a command line interface.  But you would have
> to learn how to use it via os_process and optionally shell.
> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/cli/latest/reference/ses/index.html
> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/send-personalized-email-api.html
>
> --steve
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stevepiercy
Hi Laurent,

You're welcome.  Marc's answer was similar to mine and totally
valid, with the difference that it used a specific software
product for the implementation.

I've done a few implementations, all custom and not fully
implementing the features of the provider's API.  It's pretty
easy to do, though, once you get over the hump of authentication.

AWS SES is probably the cheapest option, and the hardest part is
selecting the right tool for the job.  You have to research each
API or SDK and understand it, until you find the right one, and
there are many.  Whereas with other providers, they usually
provide one and only one API.

Feel free to ping me off-list to follow up.

--steve


On 10/26/17 at 2:12 PM, [hidden email] (Laurent G) pronounced:

>Steve, you've always got an excellent answer for every of my
>questions, thank you!
>I will probably need help, in a near future, to create a Lasso script
>for using AWS SES or any similar service like Sengrind, mailjet, etc.
>Is that a service that you or your company can provide?
>
>Laurent
>
>2017-10-26 1:51 GMT-04:00 Steve Piercy - Website Builder <[hidden email]>:
>>On 10/25/17 at 8:47 PM, [hidden email] (Laurent G) pronounced:
>>
>>> It's sad that Lasso cannot handle Amazon SES SMTP API because of the
>>> TLS issue, because Amazon prices are much lower than all other smtp
>>> services.
>>
>>
>>I don't understand this statement.  To what issue do you refer?
>>
>>Sending emails from your server via SMTP to AWS is an extremely inefficient
>>way to send 1.5M emails per month.  Don't do this.
>>
>>It's better to provide a message template and fill in the blanks with any
>>personalization using a provider's API.  There are dozens of providers that
>>do this, including Amazon via a command line interface.  But you would have
>>to learn how to use it via os_process and optionally shell.
>>http://docs.aws.amazon.com/cli/latest/reference/ses/index.html
>>http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/send-personalized-email-api.html
>>
>>--steve
>>
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