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John Morris-3
Hopefully last question for the day :)

Switching from Mac xServe to Linux.

I think were gonna go w/ CentOS now that I have Lasso 9 installed and the pdf tags work. (Thanks Steffen, Jono, and Steve)

What are you guys using for hardware? I don't want a cloud server.

I remember talking to Jono @ the LDC and he mentioned what hardware they were using, but I can't remember what was now.

What is everyone using? If you prefer to respond off list so you don't advertise for free that is fine too .

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

Steffan A. Cline
I have clients using AWS, Linode and other cloud services. They¹re fine
and do a good job.

I personally have 2 Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 32gb ram/500gb Raid 6 for VMs
and 1 - 2950 w/ 16bg ram w/ Raid 5 for MySQL and backup.

KVM over IP w/remote power to manage them in the event of an emergency.

3KVA UPS to power it all in the event of a failure.

Great setup for the money that¹s trouble free.



Thanks

Steffan

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On 1/16/14, 11:27 AM, "John Morris" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Hopefully last question for the day :)
>
>Switching from Mac xServe to Linux.
>
>I think were gonna go w/ CentOS now that I have Lasso 9 installed and the
>pdf tags work. (Thanks Steffen, Jono, and Steve)
>
>What are you guys using for hardware? I don't want a cloud server.
>
>I remember talking to Jono @ the LDC and he mentioned what hardware they
>were using, but I can't remember what was now.
>
>What is everyone using? If you prefer to respond off list so you don't
>advertise for free that is fine too .
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
> - John Morris
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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

stevepiercy
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I hate hate hate babysitting hardware.  Ever had a hard drive
fail and been taken out of service for an extended period of
time while customers scream at you?  Or had an extended power
failure?  Or...?

With virtual machines, none of that matters.  If hardware fails,
no problem, just move the VM to another machine, tweak a few
settings, and you're back in business in a matter of minutes.

I avoid using control panels, but when I do use one, it is
WebMin/VirtualMin.  I demand root access and a shell.

I purchase a virtual machine from a trusted ISP that is
knowledgeable about Lasso, and who can fill in the gaps of my
knowledge regarding CentOS, hardware, networking, and so forth.  
They babysit the hardware and work to resolve the rare issues
that crop up (which are almost always my fault, not theirs).  I
highly recommend Anu.net.  Chris Wik has taught me a helluva lot
about CentOS, server management, and networking.  Pricing may be
more than the other well-qualified Lasso ISPs, but for server
performance, reliability, and superior customer service, I feel
I get an exceptional value.

I purchase and resell Rackpace for email.  I hate hate hate
dealing with email, and Rackspace has been a blessing.

BTW, all this "cloud" crap... it's just marketing of VMs.  
"Virtual machine" is too hard for pointy-haired management to
say, and "virtual" means "does not physically exist" in their minds.

--steve


On 1/16/14 at 12:27 PM, [hidden email] (John
Morris) pronounced:

>Hopefully last question for the day :)
>
>Switching from Mac xServe to Linux.
>
>I think were gonna go w/ CentOS now that I have Lasso 9
>installed and the pdf tags work. (Thanks Steffen, Jono, and Steve)
>
>What are you guys using for hardware? I don't want a cloud server.
>
>I remember talking to Jono @ the LDC and he mentioned what
>hardware they were using, but I can't remember what was now.
>
>What is everyone using? If you prefer to respond off list so
>you don't advertise for free that is fine too .
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>- John Morris
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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

Marc Pope-2
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For hardware:

I custom build my own servers. I start with SuperMicro Chassis and based
on the budget, I design the best server for the money. I typically buy
it all at NewEgg, but I also have accounts at other large VARs I can get
it from.

If you don't have a lot of traffic, a simple single processor machine
will do fine. Get as much RAM as you can afford and buy an Adaptec RAID
card (2405/3405) and 2 decent drives and RAID1 them. I'd also spring for
Dual Power, and the machine will probably run forever.

I've built supermicros for less than $2,000 and I've built ones for
$15,000. Just depends on what you feel like you need. You can get a
killer dual amd 12 core machine, with 1GB Ram, 4 drives, dual power in a
single 1U chassis if you have the cash! :)

The reason I say Adaptec, is they have nice tools for managing your RAID
and emailing you notification if the RAID is having issues.

Don't forget about Firewalls, IDS/IPS, Power Backups, Generators, KVM,
Lights out management. I am not sure where you plan to put the servers.
We offer co-lo and have expertise in Lasso, etc and all our servers are
managed, updated, backed up, and have IDS/IPS protection + firewalls.

Just one other thing to think about, if your stuff is valuable where you
need 100% uptime, consider running a second server and copy the data at
intervals that make you feel comfortable. Or if your ISP has equipment
available on hand in case of emergency. A good backup/disaster plan is
always good to have.

Good luck!

Marc Pope
Falcon Internet



On 1/16/2014 1:27 PM, John Morris wrote:

What are you guys using for hardware? I don't want a cloud server.


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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

Jolle Carlestam-2
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I'm with Steve 100% here.
Anu does a great job and knows Lasso, including Lasso 9.
And seem to be sitting with very high speed connections. Provided you've written your code right (read; use DS) it's like the server was in your own network.

HDB
Jolle

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> 16 jan 2014 kl. 21:09 skrev Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder <[hidden email]>:
>
> I hate hate hate babysitting hardware.  Ever had a hard drive
> fail and been taken out of service for an extended period of
> time while customers scream at you?  Or had an extended power
> failure?  Or...?
>
> With virtual machines, none of that matters.  If hardware fails,
> no problem, just move the VM to another machine, tweak a few
> settings, and you're back in business in a matter of minutes.
>
> I avoid using control panels, but when I do use one, it is
> WebMin/VirtualMin.  I demand root access and a shell.
>
> I purchase a virtual machine from a trusted ISP that is
> knowledgeable about Lasso, and who can fill in the gaps of my
> knowledge regarding CentOS, hardware, networking, and so forth.  
> They babysit the hardware and work to resolve the rare issues
> that crop up (which are almost always my fault, not theirs).  I
> highly recommend Anu.net.  Chris Wik has taught me a helluva lot
> about CentOS, server management, and networking.  Pricing may be
> more than the other well-qualified Lasso ISPs, but for server
> performance, reliability, and superior customer service, I feel
> I get an exceptional value.
>
> I purchase and resell Rackpace for email.  I hate hate hate
> dealing with email, and Rackspace has been a blessing.
>
> BTW, all this "cloud" crap... it's just marketing of VMs.  
> "Virtual machine" is too hard for pointy-haired management to
> say, and "virtual" means "does not physically exist" in their minds.
>
> --steve
>
>
> On 1/16/14 at 12:27 PM, [hidden email] (John
> Morris) pronounced:
>
>> Hopefully last question for the day :)
>>
>> Switching from Mac xServe to Linux.
>>
>> I think were gonna go w/ CentOS now that I have Lasso 9
>> installed and the pdf tags work. (Thanks Steffen, Jono, and Steve)
>>
>> What are you guys using for hardware? I don't want a cloud server.
>>
>> I remember talking to Jono @ the LDC and he mentioned what
>> hardware they were using, but I can't remember what was now.
>>
>> What is everyone using? If you prefer to respond off list so
>> you don't advertise for free that is fine too .
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> - John Morris
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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

Daniel Parker
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On 17/01/2014, at 7:05 pm, Marc Pope <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Don't forget about Firewalls, IDS/IPS, Power Backups, Generators, KVM, Lights out management. I am not sure where you plan to put the servers. We offer co-lo and have expertise in Lasso, etc and all our servers are managed, updated, backed up, and have IDS/IPS protection + firewalls.

I recommend Falcon Internet (And Supermicro).. We ran servers with them for a few years and had great service. Why did we move? We needed our servers physically closer to home (New Zealand) due to latency.

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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

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On 17/01/2014, at 8:21 pm, Jolle Carlestam <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Provided you've written your code right (read; use DS)

I haven't had a chance to look at DS yet.. are the improvements so amazing that we should convert every inline to DS? (and if so, should DS be a standard component of Lasso?)

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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

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17 jan 2014 kl. 10:06 skrev Daniel Parker <[hidden email]>:

>> Provided you've written your code right (read; use DS)
>
> I haven't had a chance to look at DS yet.. are the improvements so amazing that we should convert every inline to DS? (and if so, should DS be a standard component of Lasso?)

There are measurable speed gains just by replacing inlines with dsinline. So yes, I recommend that. But the major improvement and enhancement that I've seen is when I write my DB calls using DS native structure.
Like convenience for the developer. See this example.

local(row = my_dstype -> getrow(#id))

#row(::myfield)

Can it be simpler than that?

And besides simple, it makes DB calls so fast. I've a new site up that when demoed the client thought it was a static mockup run locally instead of using and displaying real data from the remote server. It was so fast the displaying was instant.

HDB
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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

Asle Benoni-2
I have been dealing with hardware servers over the past 20 years and now
everything is in the cloud. I hope I never again will touch a physical
server! I have tried different deals, Amazon AWS, Linode, DigitalOcean. I
run only Linux now but for running your own Mac I would recommend
www.macminivault.com . Amazon was too big for me, I recommend Linode.com
mostly. And I have a couple of servers on DigitalOcean.com - they are
blazingly fast (SSD) and cheap. Linode and DO have cheap backups and I see
no reason to run my own hardware anymore.

~asle benoni


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>
> 17 jan 2014 kl. 10:06 skrev Daniel Parker <[hidden email]>:
>
> >> Provided you've written your code right (read; use DS)
> >
> > I haven't had a chance to look at DS yet.. are the improvements so
> amazing that we should convert every inline to DS? (and if so, should DS be
> a standard component of Lasso?)
>
> There are measurable speed gains just by replacing inlines with dsinline.
> So yes, I recommend that. But the major improvement and enhancement that
> I've seen is when I write my DB calls using DS native structure.
> Like convenience for the developer. See this example.
>
> local(row = my_dstype -> getrow(#id))
>
> #row(::myfield)
>
> Can it be simpler than that?
>
> And besides simple, it makes DB calls so fast. I've a new site up that
> when demoed the client thought it was a static mockup run locally instead
> of using and displaying real data from the remote server. It was so fast
> the displaying was instant.
>
> HDB
> Jolle
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Re: Server hardware recommendations...

John May-2
Note we offer OS X VMs as well:

        http://www.pointinspace.com/os-x-virtual-dedicated-servers.html

        - John


On 1/21/14 3:25 AM, Asle Benoni wrote:

> I have been dealing with hardware servers over the past 20 years and
> now everything is in the cloud. I hope I never again will touch a
> physical server! I have tried different deals, Amazon AWS, Linode,
> DigitalOcean. I run only Linux now but for running your own Mac I
> would recommend www.macminivault.com . Amazon was too big for me, I
> recommend Linode.com mostly. And I have a couple of servers on
> DigitalOcean.com - they are blazingly fast (SSD) and cheap. Linode
> and DO have cheap backups and I see no reason to run my own hardware
> anymore.
>
> ~asle benoni
>
>
> 2014/1/17 Jolle Carlestam <[hidden email]>
>
>>
>> 17 jan 2014 kl. 10:06 skrev Daniel Parker <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>>> Provided you've written your code right (read; use DS)
>>>
>>> I haven't had a chance to look at DS yet.. are the improvements
>>> so
>> amazing that we should convert every inline to DS? (and if so,
>> should DS be a standard component of Lasso?)
>>
>> There are measurable speed gains just by replacing inlines with
>> dsinline. So yes, I recommend that. But the major improvement and
>> enhancement that I've seen is when I write my DB calls using DS
>> native structure. Like convenience for the developer. See this
>> example.
>>
>> local(row = my_dstype -> getrow(#id))
>>
>> #row(::myfield)
>>
>> Can it be simpler than that?
>>
>> And besides simple, it makes DB calls so fast. I've a new site up
>> that when demoed the client thought it was a static mockup run
>> locally instead of using and displaying real data from the remote
>> server. It was so fast the displaying was instant.
>>
>> HDB Jolle
>>

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