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[OT] Backup solutions

Dave Bruhn
Hey, everyone,

For the last 7 years or so, we’ve been using CrashPlan to back up our servers and end users.  It’s been a great product, as it can handle Mac, Windows, AND Linux beautifully.  Take a couple of Mac Minis… throw in a couple of Drobos… Voila!  Backups!

However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups, either cloud-based or, yet again, something local.  Does anyone have any good (and relatively inexpensive) solutions that they would like to share?  It has to be able to back up all 3 operating systems, because that’s what we have.

Thanks!
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Steffan Cline
I've used Amazon S3. It's nowhere as cheap as CrashPlan but is reliable and they have multiple zones for the storage to optimize data speeds between endpoints.

There are tools for it on all platforms.

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> On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hey, everyone,
>
> For the last 7 years or so, we’ve been using CrashPlan to back up our servers and end users.  It’s been a great product, as it can handle Mac, Windows, AND Linux beautifully.  Take a couple of Mac Minis… throw in a couple of Drobos… Voila!  Backups!
>
> However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups, either cloud-based or, yet again, something local.  Does anyone have any good (and relatively inexpensive) solutions that they would like to share?  It has to be able to back up all 3 operating systems, because that’s what we have.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Mason Miller
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I use rsync to back up all of my web applications, /etc, /var,/usr/local stuff. I run one mini in our office that connects to each of our servers at the colo and backs them up to a Promise Thunderbolt RAID. I run the same processes on a mini with another RAID at the Colo,

> On Jun 13, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hey, everyone,
>
> For the last 7 years or so, we’ve been using CrashPlan to back up our servers and end users.  It’s been a great product, as it can handle Mac, Windows, AND Linux beautifully.  Take a couple of Mac Minis… throw in a couple of Drobos… Voila!  Backups!
>
> However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups, either cloud-based or, yet again, something local.  Does anyone have any good (and relatively inexpensive) solutions that they would like to share?  It has to be able to back up all 3 operating systems, because that’s what we have.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Jolle Carlestam-2
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Why are you considering abandon Crashplan. As a fond user of their services I'm interested to know what could be wrong with them.

HDB
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> 13 juni 2017 kl. 22:12 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
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> However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups


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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.

Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server.  Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.

I’m not exactly thrilled with Code42’s decision-making right now.

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On 6/14/17, 12:59 AM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Jolle Carlestam" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    Why are you considering abandon Crashplan. As a fond user of their services I'm interested to know what could be wrong with them.
   
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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14 juni 2017 kl. 16:44 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
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> For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.
>
> Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server. Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.
>
> I’m not exactly thrilled with Code42’s decision-making right now.

I can see why you’re not happy. But I only use Crashplan to backup client computers to their cloud. Not affected then of these new shortcomings.

HDB
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Steffan Cline
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Dave,

Have you seen this article? Does it work?
https://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/4/Configuring/Use_CrashPlan_on_a_headless_computer


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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.
>
> Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server.  Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.
>
> I’m not exactly thrilled with Code42’s decision-making right now.
>
> Dave
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> On 6/14/17, 12:59 AM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Jolle Carlestam" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>    Why are you considering abandon Crashplan. As a fond user of their services I'm interested to know what could be wrong with them.
>
>    HDB
>    Jolle
>
>    Sent from a mobile device. Any anomalies is due to Autocorrect.
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>> 13 juni 2017 kl. 22:12 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
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>> However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Steffan Cline
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Dave,

This article mentions using X11 forwarding which seems like a viable solution since you can still use the UI.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CrashPlan


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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.
>
> Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server.  Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.
>
> I’m not exactly thrilled with Code42’s decision-making right now.
>
> Dave
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> On 6/14/17, 12:59 AM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Jolle Carlestam" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
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>    Why are you considering abandon Crashplan. As a fond user of their services I'm interested to know what could be wrong with them.
>
>    HDB
>    Jolle
>
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>> 13 juni 2017 kl. 22:12 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

Dave Bruhn
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It works for version 4.X of the client, not 5.X.  I’m going to safely assume that 6.X will also not work once it’s released.

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On 6/14/17, 10:53 AM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    Dave,
   
    Have you seen this article? Does it work?
    https://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/4/Configuring/Use_CrashPlan_on_a_headless_computer
   
   
    Thanks,
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    > On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:44 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
    >
    > For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.
    >
    > Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server.  Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.
    >
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    >
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    > On 6/14/17, 12:59 AM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Jolle Carlestam" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
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    >    Why are you considering abandon Crashplan. As a fond user of their services I'm interested to know what could be wrong with them.
    >
    >    HDB
    >    Jolle
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    >> 13 juni 2017 kl. 22:12 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
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    >> However, it’s getting to a point where we may have to consider going a different direction with our backups
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Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.

Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
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    14 juni 2017 kl. 16:44 skrev Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]>:
    >
    > For a number of reasons, really.  For one, they don’t officially support backing up servers, which is fine.  We’ve don’t actually need them to support it, it just needs to run.  However, the latest versions of CrashPlan do not support installation onto a headless Linux environment – you MUST have a GUI, which is pointless in a virtualized environment.
    >
    > Second, Code42 announced in February that as of version 6, Mac OS will no longer be a supported operating system for running their server. Version 5 will be the last server version available for Mac OS (clients will continue to be supported, of course).  For us, that’s going to be a huge problem, as we have a lot of money invested in Drobos and Mac Minis.
    >
    > I’m not exactly thrilled with Code42’s decision-making right now.
   
    I can see why you’re not happy. But I only use Crashplan to backup client computers to their cloud. Not affected then of these new shortcomings.
   
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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We continue to use Retrospect here for local backups, with no issues.
Backing up both OS X and CentOS machines.

        - John


On 6/14/17 11:31 AM, Dave Bruhn wrote:
> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
>
> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
>

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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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All my VMs are backed up over Fibre Channel to FreeNAS nightly. Cheap easy way to do it.

Top it with a push to S3 weekly. The local copy is perfect for restoral of a VM. Chris Wik has refined his backups to incremental. I'd like to get there soon myself.

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>> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
>> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
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Dave Bruhn
Yes, but is that a true backup strategy, or is that just file replication?
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On 6/14/17, 1:52 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    All my VMs are backed up over Fibre Channel to FreeNAS nightly. Cheap easy way to do it.
   
    Top it with a push to S3 weekly. The local copy is perfect for restoral of a VM. Chris Wik has refined his backups to incremental. I'd like to get there soon myself.
   
    Thanks,
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    > On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, John May <[hidden email]> wrote:
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    > We continue to use Retrospect here for local backups, with no issues. Backing up both OS X and CentOS machines.
    >
    >    - John
    >
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    >> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
    >> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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It backs up the entire VM nightly. It's as true of a backup ad you can get. It's also perfect for migration and cloning. Restoring a VM this way is slower than incrementals. So, you have to pick your poison. Speed or reliability. The way I am doing it is harder on the hardware but has been most reliable for me.

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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yes, but is that a true backup strategy, or is that just file replication?
> --
> Dave Bruhn
> Senior Systems Analyst
> North Carolina Hospital Association
> PO Box 4449
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> 919-677-4145 (office)
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> On 6/14/17, 1:52 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
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>    All my VMs are backed up over Fibre Channel to FreeNAS nightly. Cheap easy way to do it.
>
>    Top it with a push to S3 weekly. The local copy is perfect for restoral of a VM. Chris Wik has refined his backups to incremental. I'd like to get there soon myself.
>
>    Thanks,
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>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, John May <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> We continue to use Retrospect here for local backups, with no issues. Backing up both OS X and CentOS machines.
>>
>>   - John
>>
>>
>>> On 6/14/17 11:31 AM, Dave Bruhn wrote:
>>> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
>>> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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Ahhhh, I see.  Well, that’s one portion of what we’d need to do.  However, we’d still need to back up clients, including physical Linux boxes.
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On 6/14/17, 2:12 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    It backs up the entire VM nightly. It's as true of a backup ad you can get. It's also perfect for migration and cloning. Restoring a VM this way is slower than incrementals. So, you have to pick your poison. Speed or reliability. The way I am doing it is harder on the hardware but has been most reliable for me.
   
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    > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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    > Yes, but is that a true backup strategy, or is that just file replication?
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    > PO Box 4449
    > Cary, NC 27519-4449
    > 919-677-4145 (office)
    > [hidden email]
    > http://www.ncha.org
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    > On 6/14/17, 1:52 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
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    >    All my VMs are backed up over Fibre Channel to FreeNAS nightly. Cheap easy way to do it.
    >
    >    Top it with a push to S3 weekly. The local copy is perfect for restoral of a VM. Chris Wik has refined his backups to incremental. I'd like to get there soon myself.
    >
    >    Thanks,
    >    Steffan Cline
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    >    602-793-0014
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    >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, John May <[hidden email]> wrote:
    >>
    >> We continue to use Retrospect here for local backups, with no issues. Backing up both OS X and CentOS machines.
    >>
    >>   - John
    >>
    >>
    >>> On 6/14/17 11:31 AM, Dave Bruhn wrote:
    >>> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
    >>> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
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Re: [OT] Backup solutions

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I'm backing up the LVM with whatever is on it. In my case they are Linux and Windows variants running on a Linux hosts. You can still back up clients too. I have OwnCloud running that stores the files on the FreeNAS server. They have clients for all platforms. So, VMs are backed up as well as clients. Works great and it's free (except the HW obviously)

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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Ahhhh, I see.  Well, that’s one portion of what we’d need to do.  However, we’d still need to back up clients, including physical Linux boxes.
> --
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> North Carolina Hospital Association
> PO Box 4449
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> 919-677-4145 (office)
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>
> On 6/14/17, 2:12 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>    It backs up the entire VM nightly. It's as true of a backup ad you can get. It's also perfect for migration and cloning. Restoring a VM this way is slower than incrementals. So, you have to pick your poison. Speed or reliability. The way I am doing it is harder on the hardware but has been most reliable for me.
>
>    Thanks,
>    Steffan Cline
>    [hidden email]
>    602-793-0014
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>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Dave Bruhn <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but is that a true backup strategy, or is that just file replication?
>> --
>> Dave Bruhn
>> Senior Systems Analyst
>> North Carolina Hospital Association
>> PO Box 4449
>> Cary, NC 27519-4449
>> 919-677-4145 (office)
>> [hidden email]
>> http://www.ncha.org
>>
>> On 6/14/17, 1:52 PM, "[hidden email] on behalf of Steffan Cline" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>   All my VMs are backed up over Fibre Channel to FreeNAS nightly. Cheap easy way to do it.
>>
>>   Top it with a push to S3 weekly. The local copy is perfect for restoral of a VM. Chris Wik has refined his backups to incremental. I'd like to get there soon myself.
>>
>>   Thanks,
>>   Steffan Cline
>>   [hidden email]
>>   602-793-0014
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, John May <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> We continue to use Retrospect here for local backups, with no issues. Backing up both OS X and CentOS machines.
>>>
>>>  - John
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/14/17 11:31 AM, Dave Bruhn wrote:
>>>> Backing up to the cloud would be great, even ideal.  Separating your backups completely from your network is an excellent practice, one that we’ve already done in our environment.  However, if we were to switch to the cloud service, it would be approximately $7k-8k per year.  That’s 3 times higher than what we’re currently paying.
>>>> Granted, their cloud backups are unlimited, and they handle all of the administration, upgrades, etc.  However, for us, it’s not worth the extra $5k/year.  We could easily purchase more Drobos and drives for that amount, and still come in under budget.
>>>
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