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Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Daniel Parker
Hi,

I'm about to build a test server for 9.3. Up until now I have always built on CentOS, but I am equally happy with Ubuntu.

What is the preferred linux flavour? Is one better supported than the other? If starting from scratch, which would you choose?

Regards
Daniel Parker

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Jonathan Guthrie-3
This is a question that is going to be impossible to answer.
It's going to come down to personal preference.

Me, I favour Ubuntu, for some of the following reasons:
- it boots faster
- it installs faster
- the server version is less resource hungry than CentOS
- you can upgrade *really* easy between major versions (13-14 is a snap). You can't do that with CentOS**
- you don't have really old versions of software in the main repos like CentOS

And yeah, there's ways that CentOS is better than Ubuntu, and I really hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.
It just comes down to your preference.
Lasso 9.3 works great on Ubuntu, and CentOS 5 & 6 (support for 7 is coming soon).

** Actually you can but it's specifically advised against, and I have done it and it's not something I'd ever do again. I ended up creating a new VM and re-setting the server up.

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm about to build a test server for 9.3. Up until now I have always built on CentOS, but I am equally happy with Ubuntu.
>
> What is the preferred linux flavour? Is one better supported than the other? If starting from scratch, which would you choose?
>
> Regards
> Daniel Parker

Jono

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Daniel Parker

> On 30/01/2015, at 7:01 am, Jonathan Guthrie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This is a question that is going to be impossible to answer.
> It's going to come down to personal preference.
>
> Me, I favour Ubuntu, for some of the following reasons:
> - it boots faster
> - it installs faster
> - the server version is less resource hungry than CentOS
> - you can upgrade *really* easy between major versions (13-14 is a snap). You can't do that with CentOS**
> - you don't have really old versions of software in the main repos like CentOS
>
> And yeah, there's ways that CentOS is better than Ubuntu, and I really hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.
> It just comes down to your preference.
> Lasso 9.3 works great on Ubuntu, and CentOS 5 & 6 (support for 7 is coming soon).
>
> ** Actually you can but it's specifically advised against, and I have done it and it's not something I'd ever do again. I ended up creating a new VM and re-setting the server up.

Thanks Jono.. I was really meaning from a Lasso standpoint.. wasn't trying to create a Mac vs PC, IOS vs Android type of debate.

I think I will try Ubuntu..

Daniel

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Steffan A. Cline
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One point about the really old software in the reposŠ

I brought that point up before. It was explained to me that just because
it's old, doesn't mean that it's not been patched or updated.

I discovered this when bitching about the version of Apache in CentOS 6. I
was told that because it's an enterprise server software, everything goes
through rigorous testing before its updated. I brought up all the issues
I'd seen at the time and I was told that they were patched. Just because
you don't see a current version number, it doesn't mean its insecure or
outdated.

That's kind of hard to swallow but it does make sense.

I discovered this with MacOS X as well. When testing the TLS issue with
9.3RC2, I found that the bundled version of OpenSSL in MacOS X Yosemite
was REALLY old in comparison to other *nix flavors. In reality, even
though Mac's OpenSSL was patched and included newer features, it just
didn't have the newer version number.

This speaks a lot.

Jono loves his Ubuntu and I love CentOS.

There are tons of arguments out there for both. Great thing is that Lasso
runs on both.

I moved to CentOS from MacOS X for serving years ago and have just stuck
with it.

It's hundreds of times faster at serving than MacOS X and it just works.

I've had 1/100th issues I ever did with MacOS X Server.

I love being able to easily add repos and get the latest of whatever I
want. Software is plentiful.

Another great thing is that if you like to compile and build yourself, I
have had very few instances where it wasn't a simple matter of ./configure
and make/make install.

Before choosing, I'd suggest waiting until Jono finishes the CentOS 7
build. I've found CentOS 7 to be VERY snappy. I was really amazed.

I'd be happy to volunteer an Ubuntu (latest) and CentOS 7 VM for speed
comparisons if anyone is up to it.




Thanks,
Steffan

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On 1/29/15, 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Guthrie" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>This is a question that is going to be impossible to answer.
>It's going to come down to personal preference.
>
>Me, I favour Ubuntu, for some of the following reasons:
>- it boots faster
>- it installs faster
>- the server version is less resource hungry than CentOS
>- you can upgrade *really* easy between major versions (13-14 is a snap).
>You can't do that with CentOS**
>- you don't have really old versions of software in the main repos like
>CentOS
>
>And yeah, there's ways that CentOS is better than Ubuntu, and I really
>hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.
>It just comes down to your preference.
>Lasso 9.3 works great on Ubuntu, and CentOS 5 & 6 (support for 7 is
>coming soon).
>
>** Actually you can but it's specifically advised against, and I have
>done it and it's not something I'd ever do again. I ended up creating a
>new VM and re-setting the server up.
>
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Parker <[hidden email]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm about to build a test server for 9.3. Up until now I have always
>>built on CentOS, but I am equally happy with Ubuntu.
>>
>> What is the preferred linux flavour? Is one better supported than the
>>other? If starting from scratch, which would you choose?
>>
>> Regards
>> Daniel Parker
>
>Jono
>
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>LassoSoft Inc.
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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Jussi Hirvi-2
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On 29.1.2015 19.52, Daniel Parker wrote:
> What is the preferred linux flavour? Is one better supported than the
> other? If starting from scratch, which would you choose?

I have been using only CentOS since I started to use Linux on servers.
One strong argument in favor for CentOS is the long support cycle. If
you install it now, you will get updates until June 2024.

http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-fe8a0be91ee3e7dea812e8694491e1dde5b75e6d

The updates are very reliable. Only seldom are there problems, usually
only in mail servers with amavisd or clamd updates. So you can update
the production system with "yum update" any time with confidence.

- Jussi

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Jussi Hirvi-2
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On 29.1.2015 20.01, Jonathan Guthrie wrote:
> Me, I favour Ubuntu, for some of the following reasons:
> - it boots faster

BTW, CentOS 7 halts and boots much faster than the previous versions.

- Jussi

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

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On 1/29/15 at 1:01 PM, [hidden email] (Jonathan Guthrie) pronounced:

>- you can upgrade *really* easy between major versions (13-14
>is a snap). You can't do that with CentOS**

According to the CentOS 7 release notes, that's no longer true.
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS7#head-fff8f6a835097f88dd3c7b1fea51ac75669c68d3

     For the first time, there is a supported upgrade path from
CentOS-6 to
     CentOS-7. This path is only supported from the latest
version of
     CentOS-6 (being 6.6 at the time of writing) to the latest
version of
     CentOS-7. For more information on the upgrade procedure
please take a
     look at this page. (https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Migration_Planning_Guide/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-Migration_Planning_Guide-Upgrade_Tools.html)

>- you don't have really old versions of software in the main repos like CentOS

Old versions don't matter to me as long as they are secure and
do what is needed.  Patches to older versions of packages do the
job.  IOW, age is irrelevant; functionality matters.

Speaking of versions, this could use an update.
http://www.lassosoft.com/Versions
It gives the appearance that Lasso 9.3 is not supported on any OS.

--steve

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Brad Lindsay
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Jono’s right, it’s more of a preference thing, and there are lots of reasons to choose one or the other. To add my preference to the voice, it’s Ubuntu Server LTS

Thanks,
Brad

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> I am equally happy with Ubuntu.
>  
> What is the preferred linux flavour? Is one better supported than the other? If starting  
> from scratch, which would you choose?
>  
> Regards
> Daniel Parker
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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

jasonhuck
You don't think about the age of the packages until you realize you need a feature that isn't available because they're so outdated. And, it can be difficult to determine whether, or how completely, a given feature has been backported, or find updated (but unsupported) packages that work smoothly with the rest of the system.

The CentOS project has had a lot of internal organizational struggles (not that other distros haven't had their fair share), which has left its future up in the air on multiple occasions. On a server, I'd rather work with a distro with a solid organization behind it, that also stays a little more current. For a Red Hat variant, my current preference is Fedora Server. For a Debian variant, I'd still stick with Ubuntu, though I'm keeping a close eye on Mint.

Here's a good resource to keep up with all of the different distros and compare how they're doing:
http://distrowatch.com

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Re: Lasso 9.3 - Ubuntu vs CentOS

Peter D Bethke
Has anyone built an image in AWS or similar for Ubuntu or CentOS to allow easy testing of Lasso 9.3, or 9.2 for that matter?

Peter

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:07 PM, jasonhuck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You don't think about the age of the packages until you realize you need a
> feature that isn't available because they're so outdated. And, it can be
> difficult to determine whether, or how completely, a given feature has been
> backported, or find updated (but unsupported) packages that work smoothly
> with the rest of the system.
>
> The CentOS project has had a lot of internal organizational struggles (not
> that other distros haven't had their fair share), which has left its future
> up in the air on multiple occasions. On a server, I'd rather work with a
> distro with a solid organization behind it, that also stays a little more
> current. For a Red Hat variant, my current preference is Fedora Server. For
> a Debian variant, I'd still stick with Ubuntu, though I'm keeping a close
> eye on Mint.
>
> Here's a good resource to keep up with all of the different distros and
> compare how they're doing:
> http://distrowatch.com
>
> - jason
>
>
>
>
>
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Peter D Bethke
By that I meant an image with 9.x baked in from get-go.

Peter

> On Jan 30, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Peter D Bethke <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Has anyone built an image in AWS or similar for Ubuntu or CentOS to allow easy testing of Lasso 9.3, or 9.2 for that matter?
>
> Peter
>
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:07 PM, jasonhuck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> You don't think about the age of the packages until you realize you need a
>> feature that isn't available because they're so outdated. And, it can be
>> difficult to determine whether, or how completely, a given feature has been
>> backported, or find updated (but unsupported) packages that work smoothly
>> with the rest of the system.
>>
>> The CentOS project has had a lot of internal organizational struggles (not
>> that other distros haven't had their fair share), which has left its future
>> up in the air on multiple occasions. On a server, I'd rather work with a
>> distro with a solid organization behind it, that also stays a little more
>> current. For a Red Hat variant, my current preference is Fedora Server. For
>> a Debian variant, I'd still stick with Ubuntu, though I'm keeping a close
>> eye on Mint.
>>
>> Here's a good resource to keep up with all of the different distros and
>> compare how they're doing:
>> http://distrowatch.com
>>
>> - jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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