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Sean Stephens-2
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I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;

https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf

It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John Kloss.

Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.

Sean Stephens
CEO
LassoSoft Inc.
http://www.lassosoft.com


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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Israel Thompson
Haha! You scoff at that 100 pages, eh? In the immortal words of Mr. T, "I
pity the fool!"

Izz


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> Blue Hats
>
> I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso
> paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf
>
> It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John
> Kloss.
>
> Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.
>
> Sean Stephens
> CEO
> LassoSoft Inc.
> http://www.lassosoft.com
>
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Ke Carlton-3
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My how times have changed:


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Thanks for sharing — really interesting read...

Ke



On 30 October 2013 19:47, Sean Stephens <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Blue Hats
>
> I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso
> paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf
>
> It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John
> Kloss.
>
> Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.
>
> Sean Stephens
> CEO
> LassoSoft Inc.
> http://www.lassosoft.com
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Brian K. Middendorf
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On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Sean Stephens <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Blue Hats
>
> I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf
>
> It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John Kloss.
>
> Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.
>
> Sean Stephens
> CEO
> LassoSoft Inc.
> http://www.lassosoft.com

Lasso used to ship with documentation?

-brian.




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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Ke Carlton-3
Yes, you would hope so when Lasso 1.0 effectively consisted of:

   1. One datasource
   2. Four commands(add, delete, update & detail, search)
   3. Basic conditional logic
   4. 100 pages to cover the above.

Compare that with today:

   1. http://lassoguide.com/server/index_server.html
   2. http://lassoguide.com/language/index_language.html
   3. http://lassoguide.com/operations/index_operations.html
   4. http://lassoguide.com/databases/index_databases.html
   5. http://lassoguide.com/api/index_api.html

And the scale of the Lasso 9's documentation becomes clear. A monumental
task by any standard.

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> Lasso used to ship with documentation?
>
> -brian.
>
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Kevin Bice
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Well, give yourself a coffee mug!

I never saw the mug I was told I would receive for my earlier submission of the scan of my Lasso 2.5 paper manual. Very disappointing. :-(
.................................
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On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:

> Blue Hats
>
> I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf
>
> It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John Kloss.
>
> Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.
>
> Sean Stephens
> CEO
> LassoSoft Inc.
> http://www.lassosoft.com
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Brian K. Middendorf
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On Oct 30, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Ke Carlton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, you would hope so when Lasso 1.0 effectively consisted of:
>
>   1. One datasource
>   2. Four commands(add, delete, update & detail, search)
>   3. Basic conditional logic
>   4. 100 pages to cover the above.
>
> Compare that with today:

Today.  When did 9 ship?  I always appreciate revisionist history, but show mw facts.

>   1. http://lassoguide.com/server/index_server.html
>   2. http://lassoguide.com/language/index_language.html
>   3. http://lassoguide.com/operations/index_operations.html
>   4. http://lassoguide.com/databases/index_databases.html
>   5. http://lassoguide.com/api/index_api.html
>
> And the scale of the Lasso 9's documentation becomes clear. A monumental
> task by any standard.
>
> On 30 October 2013 21:48, Brian K. Middendorf
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Lasso used to ship with documentation?
>>
>> -brian.

When Lasso 9 is properly documented (and it sounds like it is almost there), then I will adopt it and, hopefully, sing its praises.

-brian.




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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Steffan A. Cline
While not perfect, it¹s quite sufficient for most.


Thanks

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On 10/30/13, 4:22 PM, "Brian K. Middendorf" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>On Oct 30, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Ke Carlton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you would hope so when Lasso 1.0 effectively consisted of:
>>
>>   1. One datasource
>>   2. Four commands(add, delete, update & detail, search)
>>   3. Basic conditional logic
>>   4. 100 pages to cover the above.
>>
>> Compare that with today:
>
>Today.  When did 9 ship?  I always appreciate revisionist history, but
>show mw facts.
>
>>   1. http://lassoguide.com/server/index_server.html
>>   2. http://lassoguide.com/language/index_language.html
>>   3. http://lassoguide.com/operations/index_operations.html
>>   4. http://lassoguide.com/databases/index_databases.html
>>   5. http://lassoguide.com/api/index_api.html
>>
>> And the scale of the Lasso 9's documentation becomes clear. A monumental
>> task by any standard.
>>
>> On 30 October 2013 21:48, Brian K. Middendorf
>> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lasso used to ship with documentation?
>>>
>>> -brian.
>
>When Lasso 9 is properly documented (and it sounds like it is almost
>there), then I will adopt it and, hopefully, sing its praises.
>
>-brian.
>
>
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

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On 2013-10-30, at 7:03 PM, Kevin Bice <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I never saw the mug I was told I would receive for my earlier submission of the scan of my Lasso 2.5 paper manual. Very disappointing. :-(
> .................................

argh -  (hangs head in disappointment!)
I dropped this.
Sorry, will sort you out!

Rachel Guthrie
Lassosoft.com

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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Jolle Carlestam-2
31 okt 2013 kl. 00:54 skrev Rachel Guthrie <[hidden email]>:

>
> On 2013-10-30, at 7:03 PM, Kevin Bice <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I never saw the mug I was told I would receive for my earlier submission of the scan of my Lasso 2.5 paper manual. Very disappointing. :-(
>> .................................
>
> argh -  (hangs head in disappointment!)
> I dropped this.
> Sorry, will sort you out!
>
> Rachel Guthrie

And where is my mug?
:-(

HDB
Jolle




Oh, there it is.
On the shelf with the other tea mugs.


Great mug!

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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Pascal Geuns-2
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Hm, my Lasso mug also has not yet arrived :-(

Kind Regards
Pascal Geuns

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 00:03 , Kevin Bice <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well, give yourself a coffee mug!
>
> I never saw the mug I was told I would receive for my earlier submission of the scan of my Lasso 2.5 paper manual. Very disappointing. :-(
> .................................
> Kevin Bice
> 512-879-1653
> http://fmpweb.com
> .................................
> Web Development and Design
>
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>> Blue Hats
>>
>> I think I have found the oldest uncontroversial dated piece of Lasso paraphernalia in existence - the Lasso 1.0.4 manual, downloadable online;
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/19961227171843/http://www.blueworld.com/lasso/Lasso%20Manual.pdf
>>
>> It has a reference from "Lasso Talk" from September 27th, 1996 by John Kloss.
>>
>> Man, must have been nice to only have to write 100 pages. Just sayin'.
>>
>> Sean Stephens
>> CEO
>> LassoSoft Inc.
>> http://www.lassosoft.com
>>
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Ke Carlton-3
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On 30 October 2013 23:22, Brian K. Middendorf
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> Today.  When did 9 ship?  I always appreciate revisionist history, but
> show mw facts.
>

My point was how much more there is to document today compared to Lasso 1.0!


> When Lasso 9 is properly documented (and it sounds like it is almost
> there), then I will adopt it and, hopefully, sing its praises.
>

Good news — I don't see how I could go back now.

Ke

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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Brian K. Middendorf
On Oct 31, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Ke Carlton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 30 October 2013 23:22, Brian K. Middendorf
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Today.  When did 9 ship?  I always appreciate revisionist history, but
>> show mw facts.
>>
>
> My point was how much more there is to document today compared to Lasso 1.0!

Understood.

I'll assume you know enough about me that you saw my intent in what I wrote.

>> When Lasso 9 is properly documented (and it sounds like it is almost
>> there), then I will adopt it and, hopefully, sing its praises.
>>
>
> Good news — I don't see how I could go back now.

That's great.  I'd like to be to that point someday.

Call me old school because I went to uni in the early 90s, but I want a physical book that I can highlight, write notes in the margins, etc while I am applying what I am reading--especially when it involves how I make a living.  If it is a PDF that I can print off and have bound at a print store, then I am okay with that too.  But, make it worth it.

It sounds like the documentation is getting to that point.

Didn't mean to pick on you Ke--I was vocal about this early on and then fell off the map.  Sounds like things are starting to get to a positive point now.

-brian.




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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Jolle Carlestam-2
31 okt 2013 kl. 13:10 skrev Brian K. Middendorf <[hidden email]>:

> Call me old school because I went to uni in the early 90s, but I want a physical book that I can highlight, write notes in the margins, etc while I am applying what I am reading--especially when it involves how I make a living.  If it is a PDF that I can print off and have bound at a print store, then I am okay with that too.  But, make it worth it.

Old school? Early 90s I had three kids and had forgotten everything I learned at Uni 10 years earlier. If you're old school, then what am I? Fossil?

It can't be all about age because as fossilized as I am I'm fine with online documentation. And I find Lasso 9s docs really handy. As with all complex and feature full development tools it looks daunting to begin with. I am for example diving into Angular JS for the moment and usually feel utterly confused. They have good, comprehensive documentation it's only so much to grasp. But Lasso 9 docs fares well in comparison. So the time to blame lack of docs are long gone. Today you'd have to come up with other excuses not to dive into Lasso 9. It is an excellent tool!

HDB
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:45 AM, jolle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 31 okt 2013 kl. 13:10 skrev Brian K. Middendorf <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Call me old school because I went to uni in the early 90s, but I want a physical book that I can highlight, write notes in the margins, etc while I am applying what I am reading--especially when it involves how I make a living.  If it is a PDF that I can print off and have bound at a print store, then I am okay with that too.  But, make it worth it.
>
> Old school? Early 90s I had three kids and had forgotten everything I learned at Uni 10 years earlier. If you're old school, then what am I? Fossil?
>
> It can't be all about age because as fossilized as I am I'm fine with online documentation. And I find Lasso 9s docs really handy. As with all complex and feature full development tools it looks daunting to begin with. I am for example diving into Angular JS for the moment and usually feel utterly confused. They have good, comprehensive documentation it's only so much to grasp. But Lasso 9 docs fares well in comparison. So the time to blame lack of docs are long gone. Today you'd have to come up with other excuses not to dive into Lasso 9. It is an excellent tool!

I'm sure it is an excellent tool.  I wish I knew how to use it.

Hopefully someday there will be less begging for people to write about the history of Lasso on Wikipedia and more focus on what Lasso is currently in a book that is readable.

-brian.




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As far as books are concerned, one is due out shortly.
It was announced at the LDC last month.

        http://www.lassosoft.com/LassoGuide-v9-2

LassoSoft said you could order it in the print version very soon, like in November or December 2013 I think.

 - John Morris

On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Brian K. Middendorf <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:45 AM, jolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> 31 okt 2013 kl. 13:10 skrev Brian K. Middendorf <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Call me old school because I went to uni in the early 90s, but I want a physical book that I can highlight, write notes in the margins, etc while I am applying what I am reading--especially when it involves how I make a living.  If it is a PDF that I can print off and have bound at a print store, then I am okay with that too.  But, make it worth it.
>>
>> Old school? Early 90s I had three kids and had forgotten everything I learned at Uni 10 years earlier. If you're old school, then what am I? Fossil?
>>
>> It can't be all about age because as fossilized as I am I'm fine with online documentation. And I find Lasso 9s docs really handy. As with all complex and feature full development tools it looks daunting to begin with. I am for example diving into Angular JS for the moment and usually feel utterly confused. They have good, comprehensive documentation it's only so much to grasp. But Lasso 9 docs fares well in comparison. So the time to blame lack of docs are long gone. Today you'd have to come up with other excuses not to dive into Lasso 9. It is an excellent tool!
>
> I'm sure it is an excellent tool.  I wish I knew how to use it.
>
> Hopefully someday there will be less begging for people to write about the history of Lasso on Wikipedia and more focus on what Lasso is currently in a book that is readable.
>
> -brian.
>
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Re: First use of "Lasso"

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:55 AM, John Morris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> As far as books are concerned, one is due out shortly.
> It was announced at the LDC last month.
>
> http://www.lassosoft.com/LassoGuide-v9-2
>
> LassoSoft said you could order it in the print version very soon, like in November or December 2013 I think.
>
> - John Morris

Thank you.  Great news.

I heard about it from people who attended LKC, but didn't have a link.

Thanks again!

I'm looking forward to digging into 9 with a book by my side.

-brian.




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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Eric Knibbe-2
Nice find, I added it to the Lasso WayBack Archive. As for the manual for 9, though the bulk of the writing is done, the copy-editing is turning out to be a formidable task.  
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On 2013-10-31, at 11:02 AM, Brian K. Middendorf wrote:

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:55 AM, John Morris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> As far as books are concerned, one is due out shortly.
>> It was announced at the LDC last month.
>>
>> http://www.lassosoft.com/LassoGuide-v9-2
>>
>> LassoSoft said you could order it in the print version very soon, like in November or December 2013 I think.
>>
>> - John Morris
>
> Thank you.  Great news.
>
> I heard about it from people who attended LKC, but didn't have a link.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> I'm looking forward to digging into 9 with a book by my side.
>
> -brian.

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Nice find, I added it to the Lasso WayBack Archive. As for the manual for 9, though the bulk of the writing is done, the copy-editing is turning out to be a formidable task.
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On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:55 AM, John Morris <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

As far as books are concerned, one is due out shortly.
It was announced at the LDC last month.

http://www.lassosoft.com/LassoGuide-v9-2

LassoSoft said you could order it in the print version very soon, like in November or December 2013 I think.

- John Morris

Thank you.  Great news.

I heard about it from people who attended LKC, but didn't have a link.

Thanks again!

I'm looking forward to digging into 9 with a book by my side.

-brian.

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Re: First use of "Lasso"

Jonathan Guthrie-3
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On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Jewett, Greg <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Where is the Lasso WayBack Archive?
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